Legislature(2013 - 2014)BARNES 124

01/30/2014 01:00 PM Senate TRANSPORTATION


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01:03:54 PM Start
01:04:44 PM Update: State Rail Plan; Haines Railroad Study and G7g;|| Army Corps of Engineers: Update on Arctic Ports
03:00:32 PM Adjourn
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Haines Railroad Study and the G7G
Army Corps of Engineers: Update on Arctic Ports
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
            SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                        January 30, 2014                                                                                        
                           1:03 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Dennis Egan, Chair                                                                                                     
 Senator Fred Dyson, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
 Senator Anna Fairclough                                                                                                        
 Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                             
 Representative Doug Isaacson, Vice Chair                                                                                       
 Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                      
 Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                        
 Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
SENATE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Hollis French                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Lynn Gattis                                                                                                     
 Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
Representative Shelly Hughes                                                                                                    
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALASKA STATE RAIL PLAN UPDATE, HAINES RAILROAD STUDY AND G7G;                                                                   
ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS UPDATE ON ARCTIC PORTS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MURRAY WALSH, Special Assistant to the Commissioner                                                                             
Department  of  Transportation  and  Public  Facilities  (DOT/PF)                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT: Presented  information on  the Alaska  State                                                             
Rail Plan (ASRP) Update.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE CARR, (former) Director                                                                                                   
Strategic Planning                                                                                                              
Alaska Railroad Corporation                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on the Alaska State Rail Plan.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MATT VICKERS, CEO & Partner                                                                                                     
Generating for Seven Generations (G7G)                                                                                          
Vancouver, BC                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented information on the  "All Commodity                                                             
Rail Transport to and from Northern Pacific Tidewater."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LEN WILSON, Managing Director & Partner                                                                                         
Generating for Seven Generations (G7G)                                                                                          
Vancouver, BC                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented information on the  "All Commodity                                                             
Rail Transport to and from Northern Pacific Tidewater."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LORRAINE CORDOVA, Economist & Project Technical Lead                                                                            
U.S. Army Corp of Engineers                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT: Presented  information on  the Alaska  Deep-                                                             
Draft Arctic Port Study.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:03:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DENNIS EGAN  called the  joint meeting  of the  Senate and                                                             
House Transportation  Standing Committees  to order at  1:03 p.m.                                                               
Present at  the call  to order  were Senators  Dyson, Fairclough,                                                               
Bishop, and Chair Egan,  and Representatives Kreiss-Tomkins, Lynn                                                               
Isaacson, Feige, Johnson, and Chair Wilson.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^Update: State Rail Plan; Haines Railroad Study and G7G;                                                                        
^Army Corps of Engineers: Update on Arctic Ports                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Update: Alaska State Rail Plan; Haines Railroad Study and G7G;                                                             
        Army Corps of Engineers: Update on Arctic Ports                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:04:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR EGAN announced that the  order of business would be updates                                                               
on the  Alaska State Rail Plan  (ASRP) and the G7G  Northern Rail                                                               
to Tidewater Plan, as well as an update on Arctic Ports.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:05:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MURRAY WALSH,  Special Assistant to the  Commissioner, Department                                                               
of Transportation and Public  Facilities (DOTPF), Juneau, Alaska,                                                               
presented  information  on  the  Alaska State  Rail  Plan  (ASRP)                                                               
update. He  said that DOTPF has  been working for over  a year on                                                               
the ASRP  update. The last time  an update was done  was in 1990,                                                               
shortly after the state acquired the Alaska Railroad.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  noted the  arrival of  Representative Lynn  and the                                                               
presence of Representative Hughes and Representative Drummond.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  highlighted the purposes  for having the ASRP:  to set                                                               
forth  state  policy, to  present  priorities  and strategies  to                                                               
enhance rail service,  and to serve as the basis  for federal and                                                               
state rail  investments. He  addressed the  reasons why  DOTPF is                                                               
involved  with  the  ASRP.  Alaska   statutes  assign  DOTPF  the                                                               
responsibility to plan for all  modes of transportation. There is                                                               
more than one railroad in the  state. The movement of freight and                                                               
passengers involves more than just  a railroad. It makes sense to                                                               
have DOTPF involved in ASRP planning.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN noted that Bruce Carr was online.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:08:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WALSH cautioned  that the  plan  is not  an Alaska  Railroad                                                               
Corporation plan. He  described the project as a  higher level of                                                               
planning and  a public undertaking.  The State Rail Plan  is part                                                               
of the state's transportation plan.  The needs of both the Alaska                                                               
Railroad and the  White Pass & Yukon Route are  identified in the                                                               
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He said the State Rail Plan  must be coordinated with the State's                                                               
Long Range Transportation Policy Plan.  In September of 2013, the                                                               
Federal Railroad  Administration (FRA) released new  guidance for                                                               
preparing state rail plans to  which DOT intends to comply. There                                                               
are two federal agency fund  sources, FRA and the Federal Transit                                                               
Association (FTA).  He stressed  the importance of  maintaining a                                                               
professional planning relationship with those two agencies.                                                                     
MR.  WALSH  explained  that  the   State  Rail  Plan  established                                                               
advisors made  up of a  steering committee, a  technical advisory                                                               
group, and a  project team. The steering committee  has met twice                                                               
so far. The  technical advisory group consists of  26 people from                                                               
the private sector and government  agencies. On the project team,                                                               
HDR from Anchorage is the lead contractor.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH showed  a map  of  Alaska's Current  Rail System.  The                                                               
White  Pass  Route only  provides  service  from Skagway  to  the                                                               
border of Canada for cruise ship passengers.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  EGAN asked  if there  is a  rail corridor  all the  way to                                                               
Whitehorse.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  said there  is a  corridor, but the  track is  not all                                                               
intact to Whitehorse.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  inquired if freight  is being hauled on  the White                                                               
Pass  Route and  whether  there  are plans  to  install a  third,                                                               
standard-gage rail.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH clarified  that there  is  no freight  moving on  that                                                               
line; it is  an excursion line. There was an  effort initiated by                                                               
Eagle Resources to  begin freight movement in  order to re-refine                                                               
and  transport tailings  from the  Whitehorse Copper  Mine. White                                                               
Pass declined to do so.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:12:40 PM                                                                                                                    
Representative  Drummond  asked  if  the White  Pass  Route  only                                                               
operates during tourist season.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH said yes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR WALSH  turned to  Alaska's vision for  railroads. He  said the                                                               
vision adopted  by the  steering committee  reflects a  change in                                                               
Alaska's attitude  about railroading, in general.  When the state                                                               
bought the railroad in 1985, the  situation was dire. There was a                                                               
belief  that the  federal  government was  going  to abandon  the                                                               
railroad. The original legislation,  which was involved in buying                                                               
the railroad, specified that the  railroad had to attempt to sell                                                               
itself to  a private  party and report  to the  legislature every                                                               
five years. That has changed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN announced the arrival of Senator Bishop.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:14:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WALSH continued  to say the vision today is  to foster growth                                                               
and  trade, build  prosperity, connect  and support  communities,                                                               
and  provide safe  and efficient  freight and  passenger services                                                               
coordinated  with  other  transportation  modes,  regionally  and                                                               
internationally.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He shared  the past history of  the rail. The rail  has played an                                                               
important  role in  the development  of Alaska's  economy and  in                                                               
national defense:  military transport, construction  and resource                                                               
development (TAPS),  passenger service, transport  of hydrocarbon                                                               
and petroleum  products, transport of natural  resources, such as                                                               
coal  and gravel,  and supply  of building  materials, equipment,                                                               
and other commodities.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He detailed the  present planning for the rail.  Rail volumes and                                                               
revenues, along  with industrial  activity, have  decreased since                                                               
2005. The Port  MacKenzie and Northern Rail  extensions are under                                                               
construction.  There   continues  to  be  a   need  for  external                                                               
financial support  for major safety and  efficiency improvements.                                                               
The public would like commuter service.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH  showed  a  graph   of  the  Alaska  Railroad  freight                                                               
operations between 2005 and 2012.  Both gravel and bulk petroleum                                                               
have  declined,  but  coal has  remained  relatively  stable.  He                                                               
predicted that freight would increase in the near future.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  spoke of  the  future  of the  rail.  He  indicated that  the                                                               
industrial renaissance  Alaska has been preparing  for is finally                                                               
happening for shale, oil, mining,  LNG, coal, and natural gas. He                                                               
said  the state  is going  to need  more rail  service. The  Port                                                               
MacKenzie  and Northern  Rail extensions  are complete  and fully                                                               
operational.  There  is  demand  for  rail  commuter  service  in                                                               
Southcentral  Alaska  that  would  link the  Mat-Su  Valley  with                                                               
Anchorage.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:18:04 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND recalled  a project  fair in  2008 where                                                               
the  Alaska Railroad  made a  presentation  regarding a  commuter                                                               
rail  plan  that  requires   cooperation  between  Anchorage  and                                                               
Wasilla.  It  would  be  52  minutes  from  Wasilla  to  downtown                                                               
Anchorage. They  currently have  one commuter  rail car  but need                                                               
two  more  to  provide  adequate   service.  They  also  need  to                                                               
determine the distribution of rail  riders at each rail end, such                                                               
as park and ride or a bus  transit system. She said this plan has                                                               
been  ready to  go for  at  least five  or six  years, but  lacks                                                               
investment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH pointed out that the  State Rail Plan intends to update                                                               
that  commuter  plan. He  added  that  "the railroad  is  growing                                                               
evermore ready to  engage in commuter service."  There is another                                                               
major improvement called the Wasilla  Realignment that would make                                                               
a big  difference in how  fast commuters could be  transported to                                                               
downtown   Anchorage  and   would  eliminate   five  "at   grade"                                                               
intersections. He  noted that at grade  intersections continue to                                                               
be the biggest local-level issue with the railroad.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  inquired if  the Wasilla  Realignment is                                                               
the next step  in track straightening. She recalled  that in 2008                                                               
all the track straightening planned had been done.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH noted there are  other track-straightening projects, as                                                               
well.  The Wasilla  Realignment  solves the  worst  curve on  the                                                               
line.  The  railroad  has  required  the  right-of-way  that  was                                                               
needed. It  is a  $37 million  project, as of  two years  ago. He                                                               
mentioned a need for more  capital investment money. He explained                                                               
that what is required is  a regional transit authority consisting                                                               
of an  agreement between Anchorage,  the Mat-Su Borough,  and the                                                               
state.  There is  no  statutory authority  for it  yet  and is  a                                                               
necessary requirement for a commuter rail system.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:21:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WALSH  described the State  Rail Plan's future  direction. It                                                               
includes making  sure the  railroad is  available to  support the                                                               
future context and  to identify defensible means  to evaluate and                                                               
enable  new  rail lines.  He  listed  the Plan's  goals:  promote                                                               
economic development,  maintain systems, support the  rail's role                                                               
in international exports,  emphasize interconnectivity with other                                                               
modes of transport, increase passenger  rail service, and support                                                               
safe and environmentally responsible rail operations.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH highlighted  the State Rail Plan  objectives. The first                                                               
objective relates  to passengers. Currently, there  is inner city                                                               
passenger  service,   but  the  plan   sets  out  to   develop  a                                                               
Southcentral  regional transit  organization. This  would require                                                               
legislation and  new equipment. The plan  would include Anchorage                                                               
International Airport  in regular public rail  passenger service.                                                               
It would  maintain passenger equipment  in a continuing  state of                                                               
good repair.  In includes a  complete realignment of  the Wasilla                                                               
track  and a  higher speed  track for  commuter trains.  It would                                                               
also support connectivity with other transit options.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He turned to the State  Rail Plan freight objectives. He stressed                                                               
the  importance  of  increasing rail  carrying  capacity  to  the                                                               
emerging  U.S. standard  of 315,000  pounds per  car. That  would                                                               
open rail use to more freight options in Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He addressed  the capital improvement  context of the  State Rail                                                               
Plan. He  noted that Positive  Tran Control (PTC)  should improve                                                               
safety, but  at a substantial  cost. He highlighted the  need for                                                               
additional investment  in track, depots, and  equipment needed to                                                               
operate commuter trains.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:24:43 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON asked  why  Alaska Railroad  Corporation                                                               
freight operating levels are lower.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH explained  that freight  revenues  have trended  lower                                                               
over the  last several years.  There were upticks in  2013, which                                                               
he said causes him to be optimistic.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  asked what type of  capital improvements                                                               
would  improve   freight  operating  revenues.  He   wondered  if                                                               
extensions or upgrades would.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH replied  that what would increase  freight revenues the                                                               
most  would   be  enabling  the  line   to  carry  double-stacked                                                               
containers  by   enlarging  the  tunnels  between   Whittier  and                                                               
Fairbanks. What  has to happen  is the Portage Tunnel's  roof has                                                               
to be raised; the Whittier Tunnel is already tall enough.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  pointed out  that certain  routes, Wasilla,  North Pole,  and                                                               
Nenana realignments, cost a lot of  money and don't make money or                                                               
add  customers for  the railroad;  they  make it  safer and  more                                                               
efficient, which the State Rail Plan supports.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  noted the  capital projects  were listed                                                               
next in the presentation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND shared  a personal  story about  driving                                                               
through  the  Whittier  Tunnel  on  the  way  from  Anchorage  to                                                               
Whittier. She said she noticed how  high it was. She asked if the                                                               
Portage Tunnel is  closer to the Seward Highway and  is used only                                                               
for rail, not for passenger vehicles.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH said that was correct.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND asked  how long  the Portage  Tunnel is.                                                               
She recalled the Whittier Tunnel is much shorter.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH responded  that the  Portage Tunnel  is much  shorter,                                                               
less  than a  mile,  and  would be  cheaper  to  expand than  the                                                               
Whittier Tunnel.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:28:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WALSH continued to  explain short/near-term capital projects.                                                               
He  reported that  an upgrade  of  docks in  Whittier and  Seward                                                               
would add capacity  and would have the potential  to add revenue.                                                               
He  reiterated that  at-grade crossings  are  the single  biggest                                                               
safety issue.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked what "at grade" means.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH explained  that at grade means a junction  where a road                                                               
and a railroad meet at the same grade.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He discussed  the mid-to-long-term  capital projects  included in                                                               
the State Rail Plan. He highlighted  rail service to the Yukon as                                                               
a  resource opportunity.  He  showed  a map  of  the Haines  Rail                                                               
Study.  In the  Alaska Canada  Rail  Link Study  all routes  were                                                               
evaluated for  their economic  viability as  railroad extensions.                                                               
There  are four  places in  British Columbia  where the  Canadian                                                               
Rail system ends. Of all  those lines, the Skagway/Haines link to                                                               
Carmacks had  the most economic  potential due to the  Crest Iron                                                               
Ore Deposit  in the Northeast  Yukon, one of the  world's largest                                                               
iron deposits. It could produce  28 million metric tons per year,                                                               
76,000  metric tons  per day,  equaling seven  trains a  day. The                                                               
Haines  Rail Study  is  being done  by the  City  and Borough  of                                                               
Haines.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:31:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WALSH  reported on long-term  capital projects:  an extension                                                               
to  the North  Slope, an  extension to  Canada, and  an extension                                                               
from the  Yukon River to Nome.  He said, "There is  a pretty good                                                               
case to  be made that  it would have  been far better  for Alaska                                                               
had  we extended  the railroad  to  Deadhorse when  we built  the                                                               
pipeline to begin with."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  described  the  State  Rail  Plan  preliminary  draft  policy                                                               
recommendations: plan  for and reserve corridors,  prioritize and                                                               
commit to capital project  assistance, authorize regional transit                                                               
organizations, which  would need  legislative action,  and pursue                                                               
rail service extensions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He concluded with the next steps  in the State Rail Plan. A draft                                                               
plan that  conforms to federal  regulations will be  available in                                                               
the  spring of  2014.  There  will also  be  on-line open  houses                                                               
featuring preliminary findings and the draft plan.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN thanked Mr. Walsh for his presentation.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  noted that general  freight began to  increase in                                                               
2011. He asked if general freight includes drill casings.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH said yes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BISHOP predicted  that the  general freight  would trend                                                               
upward. He  said there  was a  period where  the amount  of drill                                                               
casings shipped  north decreased  from 100  million pounds  to 66                                                               
million pounds. Every  indication shows that the  amount of drill                                                               
casings shipped will increase.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He brought  up the new  hard aggregate  in the Cantwell  area and                                                               
the  possibility of  new rail  service there.  He requested  more                                                               
information on that issue.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:34:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON noted Representative Tarr has joined the committee.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE commented on the  hard rock aggregate in the                                                               
Cantwell-Healy  area  which could  be  used  to make  roads  more                                                               
weathering-resistant. There is a suggestion  to build a spur line                                                               
to  facilitate loading  a  gravel train  closer  to the  deposit.                                                               
Currently, the  aggregate is  being trucked  a fair  distance. He                                                               
asked if that project was on the capital project list.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH  offered  to  find  out.  He  noted  the  railroad  is                                                               
currently shipping gravel from Kantishna.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  suggested Mr. Walsh talk  to Ahtna Regional                                                               
Native Corporation, the owner of the mineral resource.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN asked Bruce Carr if he had anything to add.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  CARR,   (former)  Director,  Strategic   Planning,  Alaska                                                               
Railroad Corporation, Anchorage, Alaska,  commented on the Alaska                                                               
State  Rail Plan.  He  thanked Mr.  Walsh and  his  team for  the                                                               
effort they have put forth into developing the State Rail Plan.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:37:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  EGAN introduced  the next  topic, G7G  - Northern  Rail to                                                               
Tidewater.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MATT  VICKERS, CEO  & Partner,  Generating for  Seven Generations                                                               
(G7G),  Vancouver,   BC,  presented   information  on   the  "All                                                               
Commodity   Rail  Transport   to   and   from  Northern   Pacific                                                               
Tidewater." He introduced himself.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LEN  WILSON, Managing  Director &  Partner, Generating  for Seven                                                               
Generations (G7G),  Vancouver, BC,  presented information  on the                                                               
"All  Commodity  Rail  Transport  to and  from  Northern  Pacific                                                               
Tidewater." He introduced himself.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.   VICKERS,  as   a   hereditary   leader,  acknowledged   the                                                               
traditional territory in  Alaska. He recalled the  history of his                                                               
people's  involvement with  the  naming of  Generating for  Seven                                                               
Generations (G7G). He listed the partners of G7G.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN noted the arrival of Senator Fairclough.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. VICKERS discussed his involvement  with the original stewards                                                               
of  the  land and  the  conflict  between  energy needs  and  the                                                               
environment.  He  said  the  idea  to  preserve  the  coast  from                                                               
pollution  generated the  idea of  having  a rail  transportation                                                               
method.  He shared  the  process of  involving  all First  Nation                                                               
players in the project.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:42:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  VICKERS said  that  up until  2011 the  project  was just  a                                                               
vision. Involvement with AECOM facilitated  the vision becoming a                                                               
real project. AECOM did a  scoping document for the government of                                                               
Alberta to  confirm the viability  of the rail project.  Based on                                                               
$1 million of  bituminous export per day from  Fort McMurray, the                                                               
rail project was found to be viable.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He spoke of  government support for the project. He  noted one of                                                               
the  first to  voice support  was  the Mayor  of Fairbanks,  Luke                                                               
Hopkins.  Governor Parnell  expressed support,  as did  the Yukon                                                               
Territory. Alberta  was the first government  to contribute funds                                                               
-  $1.8  million  -  and  British  Columbia's  support  is  still                                                               
pending.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He described the Canadian federal  government support in the form                                                               
of a  letter from Joe  Oliver, Minister of Natural  Resources. It                                                               
is  expected  that they  will  provide  funds for  a  feasibility                                                               
study.  Saskatchewan,  Northwest   Territory,  and  U.S.  federal                                                               
government have not been approached to date.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:45:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  VICKERS noted  an April  30, 2013,  letter to  G7G from  the                                                               
Government of Alberta. It indicated  that it had provided a grant                                                               
of $1.8  million to  the Van Horne  Institute, which  was heavily                                                               
involved  in the  original studies  of 2005  and 2007.  The grant                                                               
allows the  Van Horne Institute  to work with Michigan  Tech, the                                                               
University  of  Alaska,  Fairbanks, and  other  organizations  or                                                               
companies involved in the feasible study.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:46:20 PM                                                                                                                    
He discussed  the G7G Railway  Corporation's map of  the project.                                                               
The original map  from 2011 was not the same.  AECOM produced the                                                               
current  version of  the route.  Instead of  going directly  from                                                               
Fort McMurray to Peace River, in  order to keep the railroad at a                                                               
1 percent grade or less, the route  now goes up to High Level and                                                               
on to  Fort Nelson. If  the Alaska  Rail goes to  Delta Junction,                                                               
the G7G  rail will  join it  there where  it can  offload bitumen                                                               
from the Alberta Oil Sands  into TAPS, bringing the pipeline back                                                               
up to capacity.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He  mentioned other  spurs being  considered; Fort  Saskatchewan,                                                               
Peace River, and Northwest Territories.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:48:14 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE asked  if the scoping document  was based on                                                               
1 million barrels of bitumen per day.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. VICKERS said yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  questioned  if  that  was  the  number  of                                                               
barrels produced or  the number to inject into TAPS.  He asked if                                                               
diluent would be needed for injection.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. VICKERS pointed  out that the feasibility  study will provide                                                               
that information.  He emphasized that  full funding is  needed in                                                               
order to complete the feasibility study.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  highlighted  mineral  opportunities. Michigan  Tech  and  the                                                               
University of  Alaska are  working on the  mineral aspect  of the                                                               
pre-feasibility study, which should be  done by the end of March.                                                               
The goal is for  the rail to be "all commodity"  and so the study                                                               
will include minerals and bitumen from Alberta.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:49:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON asked what the dotted lines on the map represent.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VICKERS   replied  that  they  show   possible  spur  lines.                                                               
Currently, the focus is on the main line.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  continued   to  discuss  mineral   exports.  On   an  earlier                                                               
presentation, it showed that the  rail from Watson Lake came down                                                               
to Hazleton;  now it will  go to Stewart.  G7G is trying  to coax                                                               
the BC Government  to participate financially with  both the pre-                                                               
feasibility  study  and  the feasibility  study.  Spur  lines  to                                                               
Haines and from Tok to  Port MacKenzie also have tidewater access                                                               
and provide back haul opportunities.  The port of Valdez would be                                                               
the end point for bitumen from Alberta.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:52:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  VICKERS remarked  that  the key  to the  G7G  project is  to                                                               
ensure that  social license  is in place  from the  beginning. He                                                               
used the  example of the  difficulties Enbridge's is  having with                                                               
their pipeline  gateway by not  addressing social  license first;                                                               
coming  to the  communities first  and applying  for permits  and                                                               
licenses after that.  He stressed the importance of  the "Duty to                                                               
Consult and Accommodate" with respect  to the Native Alaskans and                                                               
the First Nations.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  described  the  methodology of  community  consultation  when                                                               
working with  the First  Nations on  the Plutonic  Power Project.                                                               
That  methodology is  used  as a  Best  Practice in  consultation                                                               
accommodation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:54:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  VICKERS described  the benefits  of this  project for  First                                                               
Nations: the recognition  of rights and title,  respect and early                                                               
engagement,  good  relationships,   equitable  partnerships,  and                                                               
employment opportunities. He  said 50 percent of  the equity will                                                               
go the First Nations along the route.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He  shared information  about  aboriginal alliance  stakeholders.                                                               
From  Athabasca  oil  sands  Nations,  all of  the  Treaty  8  in                                                               
Northern  Alberta, Northeastern  British Columbia  Nations, Kaska                                                               
Nations, Yukon Nations, to six  villages from the border to Delta                                                               
Junction, G7G  contacted stakeholders.  All 633 chiefs  in Canada                                                               
signed a  resolution of support  for the project.  The indirectly                                                               
affected were also included.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:56:20 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR asked  if there  were  any problems  working                                                               
with two different countries.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. VICKERS stated that all entities are treated equally.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He noted territorial boundaries of the First Nations.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:58:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. VICKERS  described the  benefits of  the project  for Canada.                                                               
The  project   would  unlock  the  bottleneck   for  transporting                                                               
Canadian  oil,  minerals,  and   other  commodities  to  offshore                                                               
markets,  an accelerated  increase of  royalty and  tax revenues,                                                               
the economic hauling,  export, and import of  all commodities, an                                                               
increase in  long-term and permanent  employment, and  a positive                                                               
impact on stakeholder relationships.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He listed the benefits of the  project for Alaska: connect to the                                                               
rail network of North America,  specifically the Lower 48 states,                                                               
enhance  utilization  of   infrastructure  (TAPS,  ports,  etc.),                                                               
economic  hauling,   export,  and  import  of   all  commodities,                                                               
accelerated increase of royalty  and/or tax revenues, an increase                                                               
in long-term and  permanent employment, and a  positive impact on                                                               
stakeholder relationships.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VICKERS presented  the project  timeline beginning  with the                                                               
strategic plan  to project construction.  In October  2011, AECOM                                                               
developed  the  strategic  plan  and  scoping  document  and  G7G                                                               
received  $1.8  million  from the  Government  of  Alberta.  From                                                               
there, AECOM immediately entered  into the pre-feasibility study.                                                               
Next  is  the  comprehensive   feasibility  study  which  entails                                                               
developing  a business  plan  to give  to  the three  perspective                                                               
funders who  have said they  can fund the  project for up  to $25                                                               
billion. He  called it  a very  aggressive schedule.  The federal                                                               
government  in Canada  has said  it is  stepping up  the approval                                                               
process.  Project  approval  will   be  followed  by  a  bankable                                                               
business plan and then two years of project construction.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  said the  equity partners  are First  Nations for  50 percent                                                               
equity  and  AECOM  at  10   percent  equity.  Forty  percent  is                                                               
available  to like-minded  investors.  He concluded  that G7G  is                                                               
excited about the forward progression of the project.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:01 PM                                                                                                                    
He  spoke of  other opportunities  like project  manager, shipper                                                               
contracts, rolling stock,  operations and maintenance, commercial                                                               
agreements, and material supply.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN thanked Mr. Vickers for the presentation                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON expressed  excitement about both projects                                                               
because  of  the  ability  they  bring  for  connections  between                                                               
countries  and  communities.  He  pointed out  that  the  project                                                               
depends greatly on Alberta Tar  Sands. He asked what would happen                                                               
if Keystone is built.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. VICKERS  said he has been  asked that question as  it relates                                                               
to  a number  of proposed  projects. He  maintained if  all those                                                               
pipelines went ahead, they would  be filled to capacity within 15                                                               
years and "still  need extra." He also noted that  a pipeline can                                                               
only  ship  one   commodity,  whereas  a  rail   can  ship  every                                                               
commodity.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  referred to  a map of  mineral resources                                                               
located  in  First  Nations  lands. He  noted  Canada  has  given                                                               
territories  and  provinces control  of  their  land, unlike  the                                                               
United States. He  inquired as to how much traction  there is for                                                               
mineral  development   in  the  corridor  or   whether  there  is                                                               
reluctance by property owners.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. VICKERS replied that a  key element, especially in the Yukon,                                                               
is the number of investors that  have leases, but find it far too                                                               
costly  to get  their product  to market.  He predicted  the rail                                                               
will be a  game changer overnight. A number  of mining operations                                                               
are getting more excited about the project.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:05:46 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  commented  that  many  schemes  have  been                                                               
presented to the legislature over the  years. He asked to see the                                                               
scoping document and the pre-feasibility study.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. VICKERS  said the  pre-feasibility is still  out and  will be                                                               
available to the Alberta Government by the end of March.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  asked if there  has been a  discussion with                                                               
TAPS about the $1 million  barrels of bitumen. He maintained that                                                               
that  amount would  not go  into TAPS.  He suggested  running the                                                               
rail to a port facility in Valdez or pre-refining the bitumen.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VICKERS  noted there  has  been  some discussion  with  TAPS                                                               
otherwise the plan would not  have gotten this far. He understood                                                               
that TAPS was  designed for 1.8 million barrels per  day. He said                                                               
he appreciates the information.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON  added that part of  the study examined how  close the                                                               
rail could get to Valdez.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:08:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  WILSON asked  which  minerals  are shown  on  the map  and                                                               
whether the provinces and mining companies have offered funding.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. VICKERS  said he could  not name the minerals;  Michigan Tech                                                               
and the  University of Alaska  are involved with that  portion of                                                               
the  study.  He said  G7G  did  contact mining  associations  and                                                               
chambers of commerce, but they are slow coming to the table.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BISHOP said  he has  been  to Canada  frequently and  is                                                               
impressed  by  their  large  vision.   He  thanked  G7G  for  the                                                               
presentation and wished them the best of luck.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:10:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR WILSON asked how many mines are in British Columbia.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VICKERS   offered  to  provide   that  information   to  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON said the corridor has  numerous mines and, if 1 out of                                                               
every 800 go  through, there will be a billion  dollars' worth of                                                               
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES asked  for the  length of  the whole  rail                                                               
route and the Alaska portion, and how much each costs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VICKERS  explained that  the  whole  rail is  roughly  1,600                                                               
miles;  the Alaska  portion is  about  240 miles.  He said  AECOM                                                               
estimated it would cost between  $12 billion and $13 billion. The                                                               
pre-feasibility  study predicts  the single  tracking would  cost                                                               
about  $15  billing and  twin  tracking  would  be close  to  $20                                                               
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON  added that a lot  more emphasis was put  on Capex, so                                                               
G7G  was not  surprised at  the  larger number.  For every  three                                                               
billion dollars,  it only raised  the tolling charge  one dollar.                                                               
It brought safety, operation, and maintenance way down.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:13:40 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON  related  that  positive  train  control                                                               
(PTC) is  important in  the United  States. He  asked if  G7G has                                                               
included  a PTC  component into  the study,  due to  the possible                                                               
transportation   of  passengers,   and  whether   that  component                                                               
affected cost.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILSON said  the project  is  "purpose built"  and uses  all                                                               
technology available at the onset.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN thanked the presenters.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He acknowledged the presence of Commissioner Kemp.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:15:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR EGAN welcomed Ms. Cordova.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LORRAINE CORDOVA,  Economist & Project Technical  Lead, U.S. Army                                                               
Corp of  Engineers, Anchorage,  Alaska, presented  information on                                                               
the Alaska Deep-Draft Arctic Port Study.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CORDOVA related that the  Alaska Deep-Draft Arctic Port Study                                                               
is a subset  of the Alaska Regional Port Study  and a 50/50 cost-                                                               
shared  study with  the Department  of Transportation  and Public                                                               
Facilities (DOTPF). She addressed  reasons for needing the Arctic                                                               
Port Study.  In 2008 and  2010 the  Army Corp of  Engineers, with                                                               
DOTPF  held   two  conferences,  one  on   harbor  infrastructure                                                               
becoming a  part of the  state's transportation  improvement plan                                                               
(STIP), and the second on marine infrastructure needs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN noted the arrival Representative Herron.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. CORDOVA  said that the  second conference resulted in  a list                                                               
of  1,600 projects  and  the  list was  provided  to the  various                                                               
regions  to  be  included  on  STIP.  She  described  a  planning                                                               
charette  held in  May of  2011  that included  the Coast  Guard,                                                               
Navy, Marine Exchange,  DOTPF, Army Corp of  Engineers, and other                                                               
governmental  agencies, to  address deep-draft  needs across  the                                                               
state. The  charette produced a project  need statement regarding                                                               
the increase of traffic and lack of ports in the Arctic.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:20:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CORDOVA shared  the study authority which allows  the Corp of                                                               
Engineers to  work in Alaska.  The Alaska Deep-Draft  Arctic Port                                                               
Study was initiated in December of  2011 with an amendment to the                                                               
original contract.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. CORDOVA showed  a map of the study area,  which is over 3,000                                                               
miles. The  committee realized that  one deep water port  was not                                                               
enough for the Arctic area. At  the time, the Northern Water Task                                                               
Force had  just released a  draft of their report  on recommended                                                               
sites. In  addition to  the Northern Water  Task Force  site, two                                                               
other sites  were added to  the list of  sites from the  Roads to                                                               
Resources Program.  There were  14 sites to  begin with,  and the                                                               
committee had  to choose  one in order  to start  the feasibility                                                               
study.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:22:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CORDOVA described the site  selection criteria and listed the                                                               
primary  criteria  for the  evaluation  of  each site's  physical                                                               
suitability as a deep-draft Arctic  port: the port's proximity to                                                               
the  mission -  oil and  gas or  mining, intermodal  connections,                                                               
upland  support  -  hospital,  groceries,  (population),  natural                                                               
water depth  at minus 35 feet  and minus 45 feet,  and navigation                                                               
accessibility (wind, wave, and ice data).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:25:04 PM                                                                                                                    
She addressed  the site shortlist. The  committee assigned values                                                               
to all  14 sites for all  purposes and all criteria,  using equal                                                               
weights. Under that scenario, Nome,  Port Clarence and Cape Darby                                                               
came out  ahead. When looking at  oil and gas site  locations and                                                               
the minus  35 foot  depth, Nome, Port  Clarence, and  Barrow came                                                               
out ahead.  When evaluating for  proximity to mining sites  and a                                                               
water  depth  of  minus  45  feet, Nome,  Cape  Darby,  and  Port                                                               
Clarence  appeared.  It  became   apparent  that  Nome  and  Port                                                               
Clarence  would be  able to  support multiple  kinds of  economic                                                               
activities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CORDOVA  showed a  map  of  the  study  area on  the  Seward                                                               
Peninsula where  Nome and Port  Clarence are located.  She shared                                                               
the problem  statement that  came out of  a planning  charette in                                                               
Nome  in April  of 2013.  Residents of  Nome, Teller,  and Brevik                                                               
Mission were invited, as well  as Fish and Wildlife Service, EPA,                                                               
Crowley, Bering  Marine, Arctic Liaison,  DNR, DOT, and  the Corp                                                               
of Engineers.  They met  for a  week and came  up with  a problem                                                               
statement: "Increased vessel traffic  coupled with limited marine                                                               
infrastructure along  Alaska's Western and Northern  shores poses                                                               
risks for  accidents and incidents, increases  response times for                                                               
Search and Rescue, and requires international coordination."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:28:51 PM                                                                                                                    
She highlighted a  list of opportunities that  could be addressed                                                               
while  meeting  the mission  of  the  problem statement:  develop                                                               
local and regional  economies, decrease the cost to  exist in the                                                               
Arctic,  improve  cooperation  and  sharing  between  Nome,  Port                                                               
Clarence,  and  Teller,  provide  protected  moorage  to  support                                                               
offshore  oil  and gas  endeavors,  fishing  fleet, and  resource                                                               
extraction vessels.  Also, provide vessel repair  and maintenance                                                               
support,  improve  international   relationships,  increase  U.S.                                                               
exports,  optimize  economic  benefits while  preserving  natural                                                               
resources,  raise  awareness of  U.S  as  an Arctic  nation,  and                                                               
provide  upland   support  to  vessels.  She   stressed  the  key                                                               
opportunity to raise awareness of  the United States as an Arctic                                                               
Nation.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:30:02 PM                                                                                                                    
She shared the  initial array of eight alternatives  for ports on                                                               
the  entire Seward  Peninsula; Nome,  Cape  Riley, Point  Spencer                                                               
came  up  most frequently.  At  this  point  the process  had  23                                                               
alternatives.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She  showed a  map of  the communities:  Lost River  Mine, Brevig                                                               
Mission, Teller, Cape Riley, Point  Spencer, Graphite Creek Mine,                                                               
Rock Creek Gold Mine, and Nome.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:34:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  CORDOVA explained  Arctic traffic  trends.  She said  vessel                                                               
traffic has  increased from 2008  to present in the  Northern Sea                                                               
Route.  There were  71 vessels  in  2013 that  carried about  1.4                                                               
million tons  of cargo.  It is projected  that Arctic  traffic in                                                               
the Northern Sea Route will  increase 30-fold over the next eight                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She pointed out  that vessels going on the Northern  Sea Route or                                                               
on the  Northwest Passage need  to go past Alaska  shores. Canada                                                               
and  Russia are  building infrastructure  currently, whereas  the                                                               
United States is  not. She compared vessel traffic  in the Arctic                                                               
to that  in the Panama  Canal, which had 14,000  vessel passages.                                                               
She said even  in eight years, vessel traffic is  predicted to be                                                               
only  ten percent  of what  goes  through the  Panama Canal.  She                                                               
listed the advantages  of the Northern Sea Route  over the Panama                                                               
Canal.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:36:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CORDOVA showed a map that  depicts what 800 miles looks like,                                                               
comparing Dutch Harbor  to Port Clarence in Alaska  to a Seattle-                                                               
California distance and to a  New York-Jacksonville distance. She                                                               
noted had the Shell support vessels  in 2012 been able to forward                                                               
station out of Port Clarence  instead of Dutch Harbor, they would                                                               
have saved 800 miles in travel.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:38:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.   CORDOVA  reported   on  the   Nome  proposal,   which  will                                                               
accommodate line  haul fuel barges,  ice breakers,  cargo barges,                                                               
tankers,  Coast Guard  cutters,  NOAA  research vessels,  landing                                                               
craft,  and tugs.  It  will extend  the  existing causeway  2,150                                                               
feet,  demolish the  existing spur  breakwater,  and construct  a                                                               
600-foor concrete  caisson dock. It  would connect the  City Dock                                                               
and the  West Gold Dock  and dredging would take  place. Disposal                                                               
will probably be used for beach nourishment.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She showed  an overhead view  of the  Port of Nome  and described                                                               
the dock plans,  and showed another view as  it currently exists.                                                               
She noted  lack of  harbor space  and said  that last  year there                                                               
were  150  days where  barges  were  waiting offshore  to  unload                                                               
cargo.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:41:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  CORDOVA highlighted  the Point  Spencer proposal  which will                                                               
accommodate  line-haul barges,  tugs, ice  breakers, oil  and gas                                                               
support vessels, and  heavy lift barges. A caisson  dock would be                                                               
constructed,  dredging would  take place,  and upland  facilities                                                               
would  be  developed.  A  proposal  to  connect  a  road  to  the                                                               
Nome/Teller Highway is very expensive.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She showed an overhead of Point Spencer.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CORDOVA  explained  the  Cape  Riley  proposal  which  would                                                               
accommodate   shallow  draft   mineral  extraction   vessels  and                                                               
lightering vessels. She showed a map depicting the dock site.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She discussed the timeline of  the USACE process schedule. During                                                               
the May  15, 2013 meeting  the 8 alternatives were  proposed. The                                                               
tentatively selected plan  for November of 2013 did  not meet the                                                               
deadline. There  were now 23  alternatives, which  caused concern                                                               
at  agency headquarters.  The USACE  now needs  to complete  real                                                               
estate and NEPA work. The public  review will not happen in March                                                               
2014. The timeline  has been pushed back and the  plan is to keep                                                               
the public informed by newsletter on the progress of the study.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:47:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CORVOA addressed what happens  after the feasibility study is                                                               
signed by the chief of  engineers. She said the final feasibility                                                               
report goes to Congress for  action to authorized and appropriate                                                               
to  construct.   She  shared  the  state   and  federal  websites                                                               
available for more information on the study.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON asked  for the  status of  mining claims  along the                                                               
water in Nome.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:50:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CORDOVA  explained that those are  year-to-year mining leases                                                               
and the  footprint for the  causeway extension would  only affect                                                               
one mining lease.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:51:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH thought working  with lease-holders could be a                                                               
perfect public/private partnership.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. CORDOVA  said the  Corp does  not have  a mechanism  for that                                                               
type of partnership.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH requested a follow up on that question.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH  asked if  there were  any cost  estimates for                                                               
each of the three proposals.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CORDOVA explained  that  the Port  of  Engineers requires  a                                                               
proposed project to  have the highest net benefit  to the nation.                                                               
Currently,  the study  has considered  each site  alone, and  the                                                               
sites in combination.  The combination of Nome  and Point Spencer                                                               
will  probably  be  chosen  and  will  probably  be  around  $100                                                               
million. Cape Riley  is an option for the state  to consider. She                                                               
explained the state has the  option to select a locally preferred                                                               
plan, or a larger plan, but it  would have to be 100 percent non-                                                               
federal funding.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:54:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH asked if the  project is 100 percent federally                                                               
funded.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CORDOVA  explained if the  state continues to be  the sponsor                                                               
along with  the Corp, there  would be  50/50 cost sharing  of the                                                               
feasibility study. The cost sharing  for the construction is more                                                               
complicated   with   general   navigation   features,   such   as                                                               
breakwaters  and causeway  dredging, being  65 percent  funded by                                                               
the federal  government. Local service facilities  features, such                                                               
as docks, utilities,  and airport upgrades, are  100 percent paid                                                               
for by the state.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FAIRCLOUGH  wished to  see  more  information about  the                                                               
state's obligation  in moving forward with  multiple projects and                                                               
whether they  could be  phased over time.  She drew  attention to                                                               
the differing needs of the projects.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:57:06 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  questioned  how  the  8  alternatives  were                                                               
expanded,  then  reduced to  three.  She  asked  if some  of  the                                                               
alternatives were not included in the presentation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CORDOVA clarified  that three  geographic sites  were chosen                                                               
and the 23 alternatives relate  to variations in dock lengths and                                                               
water depths.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:58:01 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES thanked Ms. Cordova for her presentation.                                                                 
She asked what Ms. Cordova's best guess is for the time a vessel                                                                
might actually pull into a port.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CORDOVA said that 2020 is the best-case scenario if all goes                                                                
perfectly.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR EGAN thanked the presenters.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:00:32 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Egan adjourned the Joint Senate and House Transportation                                                                  
Standing Committees at 3:00 p.m.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
G7G Alaska (January 30 2014).pdf STRA 1/30/2014 1:00:00 PM
Railroad
Arctic Ports 30Jan14.pdf STRA 1/30/2014 1:00:00 PM
Joint Trans Committee State Rail Plan 1 30 2014.pdf STRA 1/30/2014 1:00:00 PM
Railroad